Sid Roth - Black Muslim Racist Instantly Loves White People
Sid Roth: Hello, I'm Sid Roth, your investigative reporter, and with me is Aaron Evans. And Aaron, there was a time in your life where you had a hatred toward people like me: white people.
Aaron Evans: Absolutely.
Sid Roth: How come?
Aaron Evans: Well, as coming up as a child, being brought up in New York City, in the ghetto in Brooklyn, New York, I was introduced to what we call the nation of Islam, or the teachings of Islam, black teaching of Islam. We was taught then that the majority of our problems was because of white people, like you.
Sid Roth: And, did you really gravitate toward this? Was this something you really enjoyed, this teaching, being part of the nation of Islam?
Aaron Evans: Oh, yes, because it brought dignity and respect. It taught us as people that we just wasn't what they said, a bunch of names or a bunch of useless people, that we were really out of an ancestry of very important people, of honorable people: but that they seemed to turn the channels on us, and that it was the responsibility of white people to always keep us down.
Sid Roth: What was your life like as a young person?
Aaron Evans: It was the typical ghetto kind of life: the hustling, the playing basketball, the not really having a vision or a purpose. You're just aimlessly going on, going through a survival mode as a young teenager, and so there was no vision there or no purpose in my life at a very early age.
Sid Roth: And if someone had said to you at that point, "Why do you hate the white people?", your answer would have been...
Aaron Evans: I'd have just showed them the results of what we was going through: the neighborhood, the environment, the prison system, the different social economic gap that was between us. It would have been almost like self-evident. I don't even need to explain it: look at this: look at how we're treated, look at the two justices in this country, versus whites have one kind of justice and blacks have another kind of justice, so it'd been very easy to answer that. Even though maybe that had been not true, it would have been very easy to point to some indicators.
Sid Roth: But yet you got turned off a little bit about the nation of Islam. What bothered you?
Aaron Evans: I don't know. It was an inner thing. It was some things that were not connecting as you began to talk, as in like God not having a son. I didn't come up in a Christian home, but these things just started bothering me, just pondering.
Sid Roth: Did you ever read the Bible? Go to church?
Aaron Evans: Oh, I read the Bible, but it was always in comparison with the Qur'an. I didn't go to church. I didn't go from church...
Sid Roth: So the first you read the Bible is when you were part of the nation of Islam.
Aaron Evans: As part of the nation of Islam, yes. I was reading the Bible, yes. And it really would go to see, okay, was that said, because if you read, you hear in the Qur'an, it talks about surah and ayats, which are like chapters and verses in the Bible, you have chapters and verses, and you would go and say they say this in the Bible, so you would start reading it. And then I was just a reader anyway. I was always inquisitive. So I would just start reading the Bible on my own, just to find out what was the story that was...
Sid Roth: Did you actually challenge them on what you were reading and thinking?
Aaron Evans: The Muslims?
Sid Roth: Yeah.
Aaron Evans: After that, yeah, I started challenging them. I had some concerns. One day we had a meeting. I wanted to know just one question: why couldn't God have a son?
Sid Roth: What did they answer you with?
Aaron Evans: It was really never an answer. It seemed like we were all just, we started getting into an argumentative mode because we were saying, "The Qur'an says 'he begat not, nor was he begotten". And the Bible says, and this is what I said to them, Sid, was, "Let's forget that the Bible or Qur'an, both of them don't exist. Now explain to me why God, the one that we all say is the most powerful God that can do anything, why can't he have a son? That's all I want to know". And that question that could never be answered.
Sid Roth: And then there was one day where something very supernatural happened to you in your apartment. Tell me about that.
Aaron Evans: Well, I went to bed as anything else and early in the morning I saw the ceiling of the roof open up.
Sid Roth: I have to stop you.
Aaron Evans: Okay.
Sid Roth: Were you drinking? Were you on drugs at the time?
Aaron Evans: No, I was not.
Sid Roth: As a black Muslim, I imagine that would have been difficult. You can't do that stuff.
Aaron Evans: You can't do those things, yeah. I at one time, of course, used drugs and stuff, and so that's even the thinking of that, was, is this a hallucination? Are you imagining stuff? What did we eat or drink before you go to sleep? So, no, this encounter, this visitation, was not induced by anything that I'd done, at all. And so I woke up, the ceiling opened up, and I'm intently looking and I see this ball of fire come in and it's coming at me, Sid, and I'm going, "What"? Inside you can imagine what you're thinking. And the closer it'd get, then it changes into a figure of a man, and in the figure of a man, as it becomes closer, I hear my inside, my spirit man say, not my intellect: I didn't understand. It says, "Lord, please don't come any further" and I'm thinking, whoa! What is this? And so that's the beginning of the first supernatural...
Sid Roth: Aaron, you couldn't have come up with that just out of you: "Lord, don't come any further". Why do you think you said that? What were you afraid of?
Aaron Evans: I don't know. Spirit man must have knew, okay, who is with this visitation and what's it about. I had no idea: and then dialogue began to take place between this visitation and me.
Sid Roth: What happened? What'd they say?
Aaron Evans: Well, the first thing was that the Lord had let me know with this visitation that I had a call on my life, and that it...
Sid Roth: Wait a second, now! You were not raised in a Christian home. The only Bible you knew was when you were comparing the Bible with the Qur'an. Why you?
Aaron Evans: That's right, that's exactly the question: why me? I didn't understand any of this, and instantly, during the time that he made the call, and I'm thinking the same thing, he showed me three instances in my life where death tried to take me, and I knew no one, at least two of them, no one knew about. And it was shown at an early age that whoever was trying to stop me from fulfilling my call, it was intervened by this visitation here because it was just like a tv dress rehearsal. He was showing me my life, instances in my life...
Sid Roth: You're saying that the Lord protected you when your life was almost being snuffed out?
Aaron Evans: This is has been twice he showed it to me, and he was showing me what I was thinking at the time that I got out of it, and so it was blowing me away. This is mind-boggling because these are experiences like 4, 5 years ago before this visitation...
Sid Roth: And then he showed you who you were to meet in the future.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigation reporter. I'm here with Aaron Evans, a former black Muslim that hated people like me, the white people. And so he started studying the Qur'an, and then the Qur'an supplied, they supplied a Bible. The first time you'd ever read a Bible and you saw things that bothered you, and you reached a point where you thought, "There's something wrong", and you kind of walked away. And then you were in your room just, what-is-life-all-about type of thing, and a fireball comes in, the ceiling opens up, and the Lord is there. The Lord shows you 3 times where you were going to be snuffed out, killed: and he protected you. I'm wondering how many of our viewers have been protected and didn't even know, you didn't know it!
Aaron Evans: That's right, yeah, and in that experience it tells you, shows you that I had no idea, and he was showing me, even what I was thinking when I got away. You know, one of the thoughts he was showing me was how slick I was to get out of that, how I just maneuvered my way out of that situation, and you go, "Oh my God, no. This was divine help! This was divine intervention"! So there's many instances in our life where the supernatural has kicked in.
Sid Roth: God really does have control over our life, that we go our whole life and don't even realize, without his help we would be snuffed out.
Aaron Evans: That's absolutely correct, yeah.
Sid Roth: So, he gave you direction on what to do. Tell me about that.
Aaron Evans: Yes, he showed me a man, and his name was G.J. Hoskins, and he told me to go to this man...
Sid Roth: You know him at all?
Aaron Evans: No, I did not. I did not know him at all.
Sid Roth: You actually saw his face?
Aaron Evans: I saw his face and I remember seeing him before, and then I found out his name was George Hoskins. He was a bishop out of Raleigh, North Carolina, and he said, "Go to this man. He will help you to find the way", because in the dialogue of the visitation with the Lord, one of the things I said was, "Lord, I don't know the way", because now I'm confused. Now I'm confused. I heard that the Bible in Christianity was a white man's religion, and now God is saying that this is not the truth, and that's he's not a black man or a white man, and he's the right man to get right with. So with that, he led me to Bishop Hoskins. I watched this guy for 2 weeks.
Sid Roth: Wait a second. When he led you there, did you just go to his church? Did you knock on his door and say, "God sent me"?
Aaron Evans: No, I did not. What happened was, he would, like, every other day he would come out of where we play basketball at. He would be just walking around, not with a Bible or anything, and I would watch him for days just, I knew during basketball, that's the guy! And so what happened is, we ended up at a water fountain. I had just lost a basketball game: people ran in there to get water: they left out. That's how it is, that intervention. Him and I ended up at the water fountain alone. And I tell him to go ahead. He says go ahead. I say go ahead. He says go ahead. So I said, "I'm gonna go". So while I'm drinking the water, the visitation comes back, very clear, because now, this is two-and-a-half weeks later, Sid, and I look around, I see none of my friends are around. If this isn't real, it'll be his word against my word. It'll be an old man against, his word against my word, and if he goes tells my friends I'll beat him up anyway. This is what I'm thinking. This is the kind of guy I am.
Sid Roth: I understand.
Aaron Evans: And so I go to him, and he drinks the water. I looked at him, I said, "Excuse me, sir. A few weeks ago", and he cut me off. He said, "A few weeks ago the Lord told you to come and see me", and I said, "How did you know that"? He said. "The same God that spoke to you, speaks to me". I said, "He does"? And then that's how that dialogue became, and it just blew me away!
Sid Roth: I can understand!
Aaron Evans: Imagine him saying, "The God that spoke to me speaks to you, and he told me that you were coming". So he knew all this time: he was waiting on me to approach him.
Sid Roth: So still, you had not made this presence, the Lord, or Jesus, you really didn't have a relationship with him outside of the fact that he came to you. How did you develop your relationship with him?
Aaron Evans: Every day for about 3 weeks Bishop Hoskins and I would walk around. Not one time, he had a little Bible. He carried his little pocket Bible, gray Bible, and several times he pulled it out, but the majority of the time he would just speak to me and walk, and every question I had about the church and Islam, and why the church, and "Why not this", he would just answer it, and one of the things, two things that happened: I was talking to him and he asked me a question. He said, "Aaron, I'm gonna tell you something that happened at the age of 14-years old in your life", and I look at him...
Sid Roth: How did he know?
Aaron Evans: That's what I'm saying: he did not know, because we didn't meet until several weeks later. And so he said, "The Lord showed me something that happened in your life. There's going to be another validation that the Lord knows you personally", and he told me a secret that no one knew - I didn't share with my mother, I didn't share with no one - and I just looked at him and my mouth opened up, and then I knew then that this God is God. This is the God of the Bible, that he really knew all things about me.
Sid Roth: And what did this lead you to do?
Aaron Evans: Then we were around the basketball game and he was sitting beside me and we were watching the guys play, and I was trying to get next, and he actually started to ask me to explain the basketball game and I thought, all black men know the basketball league! He did not, seriously. See how prejudice I was, even thinking, and he said "No". So I was speaking to him about 2 guards, a forward and a center, and you know what his respond to me was, Sid? He said, "That's just the way angels and demons do in the realm of the spirit", and I looked at him, and of course, I don't know what he's saying, but after that, 2 minutes, about 5 minutes later, he asked me, did I want to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior? And I just looked at him and said, "I think I do". And I received Jesus as Lord and Savior, on a bench, watching a basketball game.
Sid Roth: Did you instantly have a love for the white man when that happened?
Aaron Evans: It erased this prejudice, this anger, this hatred that was there. It was as if the encounter with the Lord changes your whole heart perspective, so it just...
Sid Roth: Did you love the white man when that happened?
Aaron Evans: As in "Love", when you say "Love", it changed from a hatred at least to a consideration on maybe I've had a perspective or looked out a grid that was incorrect.
Sid Roth: Yeah, but that's fine, that's much better than where you were.
Aaron Evans: That's right.
Sid Roth: But, what caused you to honestly say you loved the white man as much as the black man?
Aaron Evans: Okay, this is...
Sid Roth: Can you say that?
Aaron Evans: I can say that. Oh, absolutely, I can say that, and I think one experience changed that. I was doing my first sermonette about 6 months after this encounter with the Lord, and it was out of Luke 4. And I had wanted a watch, a certain kind of watch, and of course, I didn't have the money. I come from out of where my mother was the only parent in the house, and so I had prayed to the Lord in secret that I wanted a watch. Well, prior to me giving my sermonette, Sid, who comes up in this little circle? It's like in a community center: I'm giving my trial sermon. Bishop Hoskins stopped and said, "Before you speak, son, we have a present for you for your birthday". So a couple of people got up and said some good things and I just smiled, and then this one white guy, his name was Michael, he got up and he walked up to me and handed me this box, or was reaching a box out toward me, and I had so much dislike for white people that I couldn't reach out and take the box right away. And so I was waiting, and I was looking, and then he started telling me, he said, "You know, I was praying and I felt like the Lord told me to get you a watch". And I looked at him...
Sid Roth: And the Lord would tell a white man to get you a watch!
Aaron Evans: Yeah! And he opens the watch up and I see the watch. No one knew I prayed for this watch, and I just, tears started coming out my eyes.
Sid Roth: And you were crying...
Aaron Evans: I'm not a crier. You know, I'm not a baby: I'm not, I wasn't...
Sid Roth: Do you remember crying as a teenager?
Aaron Evans: Not as a teenager, 'course as a child, but as a teenager, no.
Sid Roth: Why didn't you cry?
Aaron Evans: I don't know. I mean, you know, your environment. You learn to become hard...
Sid Roth: Machooo. Macho.
Aaron Evans: Yeah, you know, your little "Gangsta" kind of thing.
Sid Roth: Hold that thought.
Sid Roth: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigation reporter, with Aaron Evans, a former black Muslim. Hadn't cried that he can remember, even as a teenager. A white man says God told him to give him a watch. Aaron had been praying, "God, I'd really like this particular watch". He walks up, gives it to you: you're kind of shocked that it's even a white man, and so you eventually open it up and see this is that the watch you're wearing?
Aaron Evans: No, it's not. This was many years ago.
Sid Roth: All right. You see the watch, and what happens?
Aaron Evans: I just stand there for a minute, and there's an inner battle inside of me, not wanting to take this watch from this white man, but I feel this...
Sid Roth: Why? Why? I mean, if I was prejudiced against a black, and you give me an expensive watch, I'll take it from you!
Aaron Evans: Okay, I understand that, but it was just this, you know, why would I even want anything from these people?
Sid Roth: But your whole indoctrination as a black Muslim!
Aaron Evans: Yeah. Why would I want to take... You know, why... What would I want this for? But I felt myself reaching out and I took it, and when I got hold of the watch, then bishop hoskins came to my left ear, and I just started crying, and crying, and crying.
Sid Roth: Weren't you a little embarrassed in front of people?
Aaron Evans: Well of course, you know, you're standing up and crying in front of, it wasn't that many people, maybe 30, but you're still crying in front of a bunch of people, and he whispered in my ear: he says, "Now that racist spirit is broken". And I feel like the watch was also a sign from God saying that God is the God of time, and that God is to have a kairos time, and that was my time, then, to become free from something that had me bowed, and that he could speak to a white man, or speak to a black man, and that he had our desires, he could answer our prayers, and he could use whomsoever he will. So my encounter with the supernatural came more like fast forward, coming right into the kingdom.
Sid Roth: Now, Aaron, you and i, this is the first time we've ever even met face-to-face. We talked on the telephone. Honestly, can you say, "I'm white, you're black"? Can you really say you love me? Not cosmetic junk, you know. There's too much cosmetic junk going on.
Aaron Evans: Absolutely, yes. That's true.
Sid Roth: Can you say you love me?
Aaron Evans: Absolutely. One, because of the changing of the heart when you have an encounter with the Lord. But two, it's amazing how in our ministry right now the majority of the people that are with us are all white: 80-85%.
Sid Roth: So some would call you an "Uncle tom"?
Aaron Evans: Yeah. If they had that grid, that mentality, would call me an uncle tom, yes.
Sid Roth: Now, you didn't relate when you were told about angels and demons the first time. Have you see an angel?
Aaron Evans: Absolutely.
Sid Roth: Tell me one experience.
Aaron Evans: Okay. The last recent time I had an encounter with the Lord was, my wife and I were sitting around watching a video called "Angels" about the baseball game, and it was about the little kid that got on the bed and prayed about, "Oh, I wish you would send some help". He prayed to God and asked God to send to help his baseball team because they were at the bottom of the pennant, and he wanted them to get to the top, and his father just said the only way that he would come back to help is if the baseball team went from the bottom to the top, so out of a childlike prayer, this child was on the bed, he prays, "God, I sure wish you could do something for the angels". Well, wouldn't you know it that God hears even those whispers and he sent some angels. So after the video was over I went into my office in the house. We have an office part, and I just thought. I was sitting there, and I was moving papers, and I said this, in childlike faith, Sid. I said, "Lord, it's time for you to send some angels to help us in Orlando". Just childlike. That's all it was. It was in a very conversational way to the Lord, and that night I went to bed, was in the bedroom with my wife, felt the prodding to go get up. I got up. I went back into the office where I have a couch. I went on the couch, fell asleep, and all of a sudden I heard this noise in the room, and I thought, why is angela in this room? She knows not to come during my quiet times.
Sid Roth: Your wife.
Aaron Evans: This is my wife, angela: yeah. And all of a sudden I opened my eyes, and there on the chair is an angel, and I looked. This is what I said,
Sid Roth: "You've come"!
Sid Roth: What did this angel look like?
Aaron Evans: This angel, of course, it was not a very strong glow as if it was the glow that we say, "Oh, angels have to come with this blinding light". That is not true. As you study scripture, sometimes it can come as a visitation, as a human being, but it was this clear whiteness around him and it had this stare that had like a river of God, just flowing out of his presence: such a peaceful presence of the angel.
Sid Roth: Now, God sent this angel to you because you asked, but does this angel say anything to you, or...
Aaron Evans: No, he did not. He just stared, and then I went back to sleep in the presentation.
Sid Roth: Did you have a good sleep?
Aaron Evans: I had a very good sleep, yes. I get up, I go back into the bedroom. I don't say anything to my wife because she's asleep. She gets up an hour later. She uses the restroom and then she walks in the room. She says, "Aaron"! I said, "Yeah", because you know wives like to talk. I'm thinking, "Oh, what is this"? Another conversation she wants to have at 3 o'clock in the morning! She said, "Did an angel visit you"? And this wakes me up! "Whoa, how did you know"? She said, "I heard them leave. I heard the door shut". And this is our kitchen door. She said, "I heard the door close and I thought, who would be here at 3 o'clock in the morning talking to Aaron"? And when she said that, then she got the witness in her spirit: the Lord said that was the angel that came and visited your husband. So he confirmed my visitation. And also she didn't see it, but the Lord spoke to her, or had her witness that an angel had come and visited her husband.
Sid Roth: Aaron, there's a big problem in this country between blacks and whites, and blacks and Jews. How's this going to be solved? It looks to me like there's an inevitable race war coming in this country. How it's going to be stopped?
Aaron Evans: If it's not done by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, it will have a race war, because it says that "Ethnos will rise against ethnos", or "Races will rise against races", true: and this is the whole battle. Where we're going now, this is always "For nation will rise against nation", and then after that, "For the nations to come up against", "And Armageddon against the Lord". So the only intervention that will stop us from hating each other is, first of all, the love of the truth. We have to receive first the person of the truth, and then we have to receive the love of the truth. And if we receive those two, first the person of the truth, and the love of the truth, we will be released from bondage for each other, because we know that you don't control my destiny, nor do I control yours.
Sid Roth: Well what about you? Here's my question: Aaron said there was a "Kairos", or a moment in eternity that was set for him that changed the destiny of his life, the course of his life. I believe that the same God that controlled Aaron, that saved his life, has saved your life many times, and has you watching us right now, and this is your moment. This is your moment. You're not anonymous to God! You're maybe anonymous to me, but God knows you the way he knew Aaron. He knows everything about you, and you know shock above all shocks, he loves you. You never experienced that type of love before. It's, "I love you no matter what you've ever done, because I see potential in you. I see greatness in you". No, I'm not talking about becoming a millionaire. I'm talking about having a peace inside that no one, no man, no person can take away from you. It's beyond religion: it's beyond tradition. It is intimacy with God. The only way to have intimacy with God is to have your sins washed away by believing Jesus died in your place, repenting of your sins, that means saying, "I'm sorry, God! Against you alone have I sinned", and then believing your sins are washed away and say, "Jesus, I make you Lord of my life". That's simple, but if you are sincere, on the day you seek God with all your heart, in that day he will be found. "Now is the acceptable time". Now you are loved. You are special to God. You really are special.